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[Thanks to Pat MacCulloch for coming up with the meme idea].
This afternoon Bob Cargill and Simcha Jacobovici were in the same session on the media and archaeology and by all accounts Cargill had the better presentation (naturally, since he is an actual academic and Jacobovici is a film-maker/journalist) and the superior argument. Here are a pair of tweetings that seem to sum up the affair:
The moral? Never bring a journalist to an academic conference and expect him to out reason or out perform someone who lectures for a living.
If biblioblogs had movie titles… the titles of the blogs authored by the people below would be-
Joel Watts: The Expendables.
Mark Goodacre: The Godfather.
Near Emmaus: 12 Angry Men.
James McGrath: Fight Club.
Chris Tilling: Forest Gump.
Aren Maier: Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Rod Thomas: Psycho.
Mark Stevens: The Shining.
Jim West: The Pianist.
Antonio Lombatti: The Great Escape.
James Crossley: The Untouchables.
Michael Barber: Up.
Robert Cargill: Driving Miss Daisy.
Bob Cargill posted this photo on the Azekah expedition page and claims that Israel approves of his tie-dye shirt. But you can clearly see from Israel’s expression that he’s under duress. I suspect that Cargill has a knife or some instrument of injury pressed to his back and has required him to smile or suffer….
Azekah-ites, I beg you- run over to Robert Cargill’s hut and take down his wash and BURN IT! Do civilization a favor, just toss those tie dyes in a pile and send them up in smoke to God. It may not be a legitimate sacrifice but believe me, it will be an act of mercy!
This is an emergency and only you can help! God will bless you if you do… and if you don’t… well let’s just say, you’ve been warned….
Via Bob Cargill, filmmaker.
Robert and I don’t see eye to eye on the gay marriage question. I think that’s plain and clear to anyone and everyone who reads our blogs (and let’s face it, that’s everyone who is anyone).
In spite of our disagreement, though, for my part, affection remains undiminished. Bob is the brightest young scholar in the fields of DSS studies and Archaeology (as well as digital technology) known to me in person or by reputation. his work is astonishingly good and I would put him in the same league, intellectually, as Emil Brunner, Karl Barth, Gerhard von Rad, and Rudolf Bultmann. Of course, he’s no Zwingli, but who really is besides Zwingli himself?
I mention my unwavering admiration because I’ve gotten a couple of snarky emails from persons who think I should take my views to what they call their ultimate conclusion and cut all ties to Bob. That, slack jawed mouth breathers, I refuse to do. Some of us are adults and some of us are able to agree that when we disagree nothing changes.
So endeth my public declaration.
Include one Dr Cargill wearing a shirt he made in art class in 1978 and the gang eating what looks to be some right good food-
Dot King writes
Jim Davila, a highly respected professor at the leading Scottish university, has blogged about a rather stupid claim of “slander” made against Mark Goodacre, Jim West and Robert Cargill by Nicole Austin, Associate Producer on The Resurrection Tomb Mystery documentary (The Jesus Discovery in Canada):
“You are repeating the same slander which has dominated the Cargill/West/Goodacre blogs and has kept the majority of true scholars away from this discussion.”
“Prof Davila has links back to stories about the “Jesus Discovery” and also repeats the point made by someone else:
“she is using it inaccurately: “slander” refers to spoken defamation whereas “libel” refers to written”
I’ve been a teeny little busy working on trying to get a few thousand stolen antiquities back to their countries, and have not had time to blog about this, although I have received and sometimes answered many hundreds of messages about it.
So Ms Austin if you’re going to take legal action for “slander” against “the Cargill/West/Goodacre blogs” then please add “the Lobel King blog” to your list. I may quibble over their details, but I agree whole-heartedly with their general conclusion – and the sort of “academic” claims made by the scholars the TV show producers hired should be able to be debated by their peers.
She says a bit more, which you can read for yourself. And then she concludes
I was unable to fully discuss Jacobovici claims about the 2009 tomb discoveries, but I feel that I would like to go on the record about my views of the majority of his interpretations of archaeological evidence. This is my official, on the record, view:
Indeed. My sentiments exactly.
That’s 10:40 Eastern time, 9:40 Central. If you live in another time zone you’ll just have to figure it out for yourself. He’s scheduled to appear for a 3-4 minute interview on CNN’s NEWSROOM WITH CAROL COSTELLO to discuss the documentary, “The Resurrection Tomb Mystery,” which airs this evening on Discovery Channel.
Enjoy! (Unless he’s bumped by some stupid story or ridiculous cat video… you know how CNN is).
In a fun exchange on facebook Tabor tells Cargill that he needs to take a break from writing and spend time with his family watching tv. It’s easy to understand why Tabor would feel that way – every time Cargill posts something on the ‘Jonah Ossuary’ it demolishes yet another of Tabor’s suggestions. I’d want him to be quiet too if my views were utterly unsupported…
Fortunately Cargill is of too independent a mind to be told to shush. So most recently–
This YouTube video shows clearly that there are handles of the same size, shape, and location on both sides of the top of the graffito inscribed Greek vessel on Ossuary 6 from the so-called “Patio Tomb” in Talpiyot, Jerusalem. The video also examines Dr. James Tabor’s claims that the lines comprising the handles are merely “imagined,” “made by mistake,” “unconnected,” “randomly scratched,” “stray lines,” “random mark,” “random scratch,” and “not there.”
And yet once again I want to say, in no uncertain terms as bluntly as I can… Die Vampire (Jonah Ossuary theory), JUST DIE!
[And has anyone else noticed that there just isn’t anyone coming out and saying ‘Tabor and Jacobovici are right’?]
Cargill and Goodacre appeared on Nightline last night discussing the so called ‘Jonah Ossuary’-
Robert Cargill, an assistant professor of classics and religious studies at the University of Iowa, told “Nightline” that the original image of the engraving that Tabor sent him is “clearly displaying the handles” but that the handles do not appear in the image that was distributed to the press.
“There are clearly handles on the top of the so-called ‘Jonah fish’ image, but Tabor and Jacobovici don’t include them in their museum replicas or the CGI image,” Cargill said. “No credible scholar except those that work with or for Simcha on this or some other project believe his conclusions… The evidence does not support their sensational claims. But that doesn’t stop them from wanting it to be true, so in their minds, it’s true.”
Robert Cargill writes, in responding to Mark Goodacre’s comparison of Tabor’s claims and Charlesworth’s claims re: the ‘Fishy Ossuary’-
The questions I have are as follows:
- Who shouted?
- Who sight-read the inscription?
- How did Dr. Charlesworth interpret the inscription?
- How did Dr. Charlesworth interpret the image?
(I almost want to highlight the discrepancies in different color highlighter as a nod to Burton Throckmorton, but I do have a question for Dr. Goodacre: what parts of the narrative can we attribute to Q? 😉
The question is important because Dr. Charlesworth (rather surprisingly) appeared to endorse Simcha Jacobovici’s last sensational claim about the discovery of the tomb and bones of Jesus at Talpiot – a claim that nearly all credible scholars rejected outright.
There’s more which you’ll both enjoy and find instructive. Let the Third Quest commence…
Or, more simply, Bob’s post has found a home on the ASOR blog. So you can read it there as well. I find his theory quite interesting.
And along those lines they’ve set up a Facebook page- check it out here.
From the proud dad!
And he does it in good Cargill-ian style. Don’t miss a word of it.
In the 1930’s the German Christians were sweeping across the landscape and many proper theologians and churchmen were standing silently by, waiting for someone somewhere to act. So Karl Barth did, composing the astonishingly meaningful (even today) Theological Declaration of Barmen. While the Lutherans slept, the Reformed wrote, and spoke out.
In a similar way Eric Cline and Bob Cargill have done the entirety of archaelogical and biblical scholarship a service for which all should be grateful in speaking up so clearly and swiftly when bogus claims were made last week.
Had they waited for ‘peer reviewers’ to wade through voluminous tomes refuting the claims of the dilettantes, the public at large would have already fallen victim to the falsehood and forgotten about it altogether, simply assuming, in their ignorance, that since no one said anything to the contrary, the ark hunters must have been correct.
So Eric’s tv appearances and his Time interview and Bob’s radio interview and summary of the facts of the ark episode on his blog were timely, necessary, and utterly desirable.
Hence, I want to go on record thanking the both of them for doing what needed to be done without sitting around waiting for someone else to do it. Eric and Bob (and Aren Maier too) spoke out while too many other archaeologists and biblical scholars busied themselves with slumber. So, thanks.