Southern Baptist Convention
Because schools affiliated with the SBC on both the national and state levels are just getting dumber by the day. From the Fundamentalist destruction of Seminaries in the late 80’s to the dreadful treatment of Profs at Southwestern (who will no longer be granted tenure) to the stupidity going on in Baptist Colleges- it’s just getting worse and worse, so let’s just lock the doors and call it a day, ok SBC?
Earlier this week, Patrick Schreiner reported that Jarvis Williams, an associate professor of New Testament and Greek at Campbellsville University, would not have his contract renewed. The case is curious since Campbellsville University is a Baptist school, associated with the Kentucky Baptist Convention, and CU is letting Williams go in spite of the fact that he is a fine Southern Baptist scholar. Schreiner writes:
He is a Christian conservative who is committed to biblical authority and the Baptist Faith and Message 2000.
We have heard from a reliable source that they retain several faculty members who are not part of Baptist traditions, professors in the school of theology who reject biblical authority and biblical inerrancy.
Williams has published three books over the last few years and a number of articles. He is an African-American who has worked toward racial reconciliation within the church. And most importantly, Williams is passionate about proclaiming the Christian gospel. What more could a small Baptist university hope for?
According to Schreiner, Williams’ theology is the problem; he is too conservative for his institution. It is ironic that someone who received his PhD from the flagship seminary of the Southern Baptist Convention is no longer welcome to teach at a university associated with the SBC. It seems that at Campbellsville University the administration only extends academic freedom to those professors who disagree with the school’s founding principles.
Yes, let’s just close it down. With thanks to Mark Elliott for the aneurysm.
A Southern Baptist seminary president urged evangelicals not to get too caught up in all the excitement surrounding the naming of a new pope.“Evangelical Christians simply cannot accept the legitimacy of the papacy and must resist and reject claims of papal authority,” Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said in a podcast commentary March 14. “To do otherwise would be to compromise biblical truth and reverse the Reformation.”
Al must not know this (and it’s amazingly sad that a Seminary President is so woefully ignorant), but
1- No Protestant or Evangelical that I know or have ever met accepts the ‘legitimacy’ of the papacy (in the sense of the Pope being their supreme leader). Al, you’re spitting into the wind and protesting something that doesn’t exist. Folk – even Protestants – watching the proceedings in Rome on the tv box is NOT papal adoration. Calm down, and chill out. And please, shut up.
2- No Protestant or Evangelical that I know or have ever met submits to papal authority. Al, you’re spitting into the wind and protesting something that doesn’t exist. Folk – even Protestants – watching the proceedings in Rome on the tv box is NOT papal adoration. Calm down, and chill out. And please, shut up.
3- The Reformation isn’t being reversed because, Al, you’re spitting into the wind and protesting something that doesn’t exist. Folk – even Protestants – watching the proceedings in Rome on the tv box is NOT papal adoration. Calm down, and chill out. And please, shut up.
Mohler is truly an embarrassment to Southern Baptists. Truly. I wish that he (and his kindred spirit Pat Robertson) would just retire and move to an island somewhere and spend their remaining days talking about themselves and wishing they could be in the public eye again. They love it so. They love the limelight and attention. That’s the only possible explanation for their unending dronings.
Al, you are no Reformer (though you fancy yourself one. And I know Reformers and you’re the furthest thing from one to be sure). And this isn’t the 16th century. And the Pope isn’t the Antichrist. Please, just stop. Talking.
No. In a word. No. But there are more words supporting the no here.
The accusation that Calvinism leads to antimission sentiments has sometimes been leveled, but as Michael Horton shows in his recent book For Calvin, nothing could be further from the truth. Horton observes, in the section titled “Calvinism and Christian Missions” (p. 151), that, in fact, Calvinism has been and remains one of the most important sources of Christian missionaries, with no less than Thomas Mayhew, David Brainerd, David Livingstone, Robert Morrison, and Jonathan Goforth stemming from Reformed churches and practicing Reformed theology. Quoting Horton—
With growing interest in Calvinism in Southern Baptist circles, some leaders have expressed alarm that it will dampen the denomination’s enthusiasm for evangelism and missions . . . . [But] the Southern Baptist Convention sponsors “about 5000 home missionaries” and “more than 5000 foreign missionaries.” For a denomination of sixteen million, this comes to approximately “0.000625 missionaries per capita.”
By contrast, the 310,000 member Presbyterian Church in America has “about 600 foreign missionaries.” That is 0.001935 foreign missionaries per capita, commissioned and supported by the PCA. Thus, the PCA supports three times as many foreign missionaries per capita as the SBC supports foreign and domestic missions combined (p. 162).
And the PCA gives twice as much per dollar to international missions as the SBC does (p. 162).
Enjoy the rest- that’s just the beginning.
Messengers (that’s what they’re called) voted yesterday to permit those churches uncomfortable (because it’s all about what makes people feel comfortable) with the label ‘Southern Baptist’ to call themselves ‘Great Commission Baptists’.
Oddly, the irony of this name change seems lost on the theologically inept, for the Great Commission says nothing at all about ‘appealing’ to the masses. It says ‘go into all the world and make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the father, son, and holy Spirit.’
But the SBC’s ‘wise’ voters have decided to ‘translate’ the verse as follows” ‘go into all the world and be sure to be appealing, baptizing them in the name of whatever you feel like because it’s all about them and not about Christ…’
SBC- if you want to be ‘appealing’, just affirm gay marriage (that will make you appealing to 10% of the population), and take a pro-abortion stance (because 51% of the population are women and they all want, don’t they, ‘control’ over their own bodies). If you just adopt those two stances – well heck fire- that will make you appealing to 61% of the population!!!!!
SBC, or rather, GCB, be appealing- because that’s what the Bible teaches you to be… Abandon the gospel and scripture and theology, and just be popular. That’s what you want.
- Southern Baptists Approve Alternative Name (wtok.com)
True enough, ONE of its founding principles was to counteract the abolitionists in the North; but it has to be said, and it must be said, that the slavery issue was not the only issue at hand and under consideration.
The press seems to be making slavery the only concern which moved Baptists in the South in 1848 to establish their own Convention but of course there never are single reasons for anything. Mind you, the defense of slavery was immoral. It was wrong and it was wicked. But it is historically dishonest to pretend that a bunch of backwoods racist hicks got together in order only to defend their right to own other human beings and hatched a denomination for that exclusive purpose (as the ignorant amongst the press seem to be implying).
Southern Baptists in Convention at the birth of their new denomination also desired, with all their hearts, to promulgate the Gospel, educate ministers, send missionaries, and coalesce in fellowship with persons of like mind who asserted the validity of believer’s baptism and the authority of Scripture for life and practice.
It is woefully tiresome to see the press parade half facts and semi-truths simply to make hay. The press, and readers of news media, are morally obliged to get the whole story and not just the part which suits them.
The SBC has a past, we all admit that. But our past isn’t all wickedness and racism. We have done, and continue to do, marvelous things as the people of God, aided by his grace. We live, we grow, we learn. Can the press, can the media, say the same? That same media which buries retractions on page 6b bottom corner where people are sure to overlook them…
The Raw Story reports
Richard Land, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, was officially reprimanded twice on Friday and had his radio show canceled following a series of racial remarks and about Trayvon Martin’s slaying and evidence that he had plagiarized conservative publications.
“We reprimand Dr. Land for his hurtful, irresponsible, insensitive, and racially charged words on March 31, 2012 regarding the Trayvon Martin tragedy,” Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission said in a statement. “We also convey our own deepest sympathies to the family of Trayvon Martin for the loss they have suffered. We, too, express our sorrow, regret, and apologies to them for Dr. Land’s remarks.”
“We further reprimand Dr. Land for quoting material without giving attribution on the Richard Land Live! (RLL) radio show, thereby unwisely accepting practices that occur in the radio industry, and we acknowledge that instances of plagiarism occurred because of his carelessness and poor judgment,” the statement added.
“[W]e have carefully considered the content and purpose of the Richard Land Live! broadcast. We find that they are not congruent with the mission of the ERLC. We also find that the controversy that erupted as a result of the March 31 broadcast, and related matters, requires the termination of that program.”
He needs to himself be terminated. He is a blight on the SBC and he has as much business being ‘Ethics’ spokesman as I have in being Mr Universe.
[Via Irene Hahn on FB]
- Richard Land only Represents Richard Land (zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com)
- Richard Land: Ethicist/Plagiarist? (zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com)
- Richard Land’s future with Baptists may hinge on report (knoxnews.com)
Richard Land isn’t much of an ethicist if he’s a plagiarist (which it seems that he is).
Richard Land, the Southern Baptist Convention’s top public policy ethicist, apologized Monday (April 16) for failing to give proper attribution for material he used on his live radio show in which he criticized President Obama and black civil rights leaders for exploiting the Trayvon Martin shooting. Land, the president of the SBC’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said, “On occasion I have failed to provide appropriate verbal attributions on my radio broadcast, Richard Land Live!, and for that I sincerely apologize,” in a written statement. “I regret if anyone feels they were deceived or misled. That was not my intent nor has it ever been.”
Uh huh. As is so often the case, he’s probably not sorry he did it; he’s probably just sorry he got caught. He’s an embarrassment.
How long is the SBC going to employ this guy? How long are good Southern Baptists who contribute to the cooperative fund going to underwrite this person and his misrepresentations of everything under the sun? The lowliest College Freshman understands the concept of attribution (though whether or not they do it is another matter). If they do, Land should.
- Richard Land only Represents Richard Land (zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com)
- Richard Land, Southern Baptist Convention leader, criticizes black leaders’ support for Trayvon Martin (thegrio.com)
- Southern Baptist Convention Leader Says Trayvon Martin Case Used To ‘Gin Up the Black Vote’ (crooksandliars.com)
America’s Protestant pastors overwhelmingly reject the theory of evolution and are evenly split on whether the earth is 6,000 years old, according to a survey released Monday by the Southern Baptist Convention. When asked if “God used evolution to create people,” 73% of pastors disagreed – 64% said they strongly disagreed – compared to 12% who said they agree.
Asked whether the earth is approximately 6,000 years old, 46% agreed, compared to 43% who disagreed. A movement called Young Earth creationism promotes the 6,000-year-old figure, arguing that it is rooted in the Bible. Scientists say the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. The Southern Baptist Convention survey, which queried 1,000 American Protestant pastors, also found that 74% believe the biblical Adam and Eve were literal people.
So there ya have it. Take that, Lutherans and Episcopalians. You’re in the tiny minority… [I wish I got called by survey takers- just like Mitt loves to fire poor insurance providers, I like to hang up on random unsolicited telemarketers and survey-takers].
- Southern Baptist bookstore recalls pink Bibles (seattletimes.nwsource.com)
Please don’t measure all Southern Baptists by the lunacy of Land. He only EVER speaks for himself and he NEVER represents Southern Baptists as a group- as much as he might like to imagine that he does. So, please, when he speaks, don’t think he’s speaking for me or any other Southern Baptist person.
A prominent Southern Baptist leader who has voiced support for Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum knocked the former senator for spending most of the last week campaigning in the Granite State rather than focusing on South Carolina. “I think he’s made a mistake in going to New Hampshire. I don’t know when social conservatives are going to understand that New Hampshire is dead ground for them,” Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said in a phone interview. “The last social conservative to do well in New Hampshire is Ronald Reagan,” Land said, arguing that Santorum “should have gone straight to South Carolina.”
I happen to know people in New Hampshire, and from there, and they’re wonderful folk. The real dead ground (whatever that is- I guess Land doesn’t believe God lives outside the South) is wherever these pompous windbags like Land are standing at the moment that they speak.
Lifeway (which used to be known as the Baptist Book Store but which changed its name because it wanted to sell more than it wanted to serve the Church), the publishing arm of the SBC Sunday School Board is one depressing place to visit.
I had to today… to pick up some things for the youth group. While there I snapped this photo of the ‘best sellers’ that Lifeway is shoving down the throats of Baptists. The display is near the door so you can’t miss it…
Is this really the depth of thought to which Baptists are summoned? Is this the best we have to offer Christians and Churches? Heaven help us.